POLYGAMY BOOKS: Recent Comments

Comment on Why I'm A Skeptic

2011-12-14T20:09:23Z

Interesting. There is a precedent in joseph Smith,
who I like. more fitting to his time than ours. Many California Mormons believe in reincarnation and like to talk about it, a friendly topic, like talking about the weather. I thought it was osmosis from the popularity of the belief among non-mormons. This does seem self-serving, but you only have to watch syfy and BBC to see just how many King Arthurs etc. there are.

Comment on Why Mormon Polygamy Should Not B e Decriminalized

2011-12-09T23:22:01Z

Was Valerie Darger married to Dennis Matthews at one time? Was she involved in the Virginia Hill case? She was a plural wife.

Comment on Should a Mormon be President

2011-10-14T02:26:12Z

My atheist husband says, "Amen to that!"

Comment on Moab Gay Pride Parade

2011-10-03T07:41:20Z

I am a straight 64 yr old female who is tolerant of gay people, but I don't think it's necessary for them to parade in such an "in your face" way. They think it's necessary, probably due to long history of intolerance and repression of gays. Straights don't need to parade their sexuality but they haven't been repressed, either. Gays probably argue that straights weren't repressed in having to keep their sexual persuasion secret for so long and having to behave publicly and in personal interaction with straights like the gays, too, were straight. Having close gay friends, mostly conservative, for about 35 years, I've learned that even as they conduct daily activities and interaction with coworkers, etc., they often have to be careful about what they talk about and how they behave about all kinds of things, not just their sexuality. Many male gays exhibit feminine behavioral characteristics that offend straight males so they have to curtail those. Even in today's more tolerant society, they have to do that, and so they're still adjusting to the amount of tolerance as well as how to behave. Straights don't have to do that to get along, so therein lies the what I believe to the basis for the backlash of "in your face" behavior, parades, etc. I hope that over time, the flamboyant "in your face" types will have gotten more comfortable with the idea of more conservative, though not repressive, behavior, as well as straight males will have gotten more relaxed and tolerant of gays' existence in mainstream society. Also, gays would gain more acceptance if the belligerent, perverse ones who delight in approaching obviously straight males would stop doing that for the sheer enjoyment of making the guy squirm. Gays have a keenly developed sense of detecting another gay male. Discussion of private sexual behavior and proclivities is still not acceptable in polite company, and hopefully it will never become acceptable for straights or gays. That should simply remain a private personal issue. I do not believe a wedge between the gays and straights is a good idea, because it promotes intolerance, and gays would be well advised to back off the "in your face" behavior in favor of showing their better human traits of artistic creativity and kindness toward others. It's OK to have a gay pride parade, but how about dispensing with the nudity and extreme behavior in public? Straights engage in all the sexual practices that gays do, but they mostly don't need to discuss it or parade about it. Some things will never be fit for public showing.

Comment on Why Mormon Polygamy Should Not B e Decriminalized

2011-09-13T22:36:45Z

Nice response.

Next up: I'd like to see more focus on the implications on religously-mandated unsustainable families.

Polygamists may believe God will provide for them, but in fact, it is US taxpayers who end up picking up the tab.

Welfare and food stamps are supposed to provide a "safety net" for women and children who accidentally or even carelessly, find themselves in over their heads and in need of help.

When you have a religious organization that *mandates* members form families that cannot be supported through normal means (i.e. by parents holding average to above average jobs), that organization must then count on taxpayers to subsidize their journey to heaven.

I think taxpaying American are justified in supporting not only the continued criminalization of polygamy -but also the pursuit of damages for those who deliberately produce 20+ children -while fully aware they will not be able to support them without God's (which translates to: "taxpayer's") provision.

Even Kody Brown's family does not come out clean on that count from what I understand. I'm told every member of that family has received public assistance at some point - and they are supposed to be the ideal! Only a tiny portion of polygamists can count income from TV deals.

Americans don't care about what "consenting adults" chose to do in the privacy of their homes. However, we do care about wildly irresponsible behavior that creates expensive, tragic messes out of human lives - that the rest of us have to pay to help clean up.

I'd like to see an accounting: What does it cost to raise a child in a thrifty polygamous family? What is the average income? How much tax-payer money makes up the difference? Throw those numbers out there - and watch the "religious freedom" argument sizzle and burn out on the heated edge of taxpayer rage.

I'm all about protecting women and children from abuse. I'm just being practical. Mandated, unsustainable families that force working Americans to pay for polygamist folly is a much more powerful weapon against the engine of abuse - than revelations of the abuse itself.

Comment on VIRGINIA HILL UPDATE & FINAL JUDGMENT

2011-05-22T04:10:52Z

Virginia Hill is an ass hole who makes my friends pay out the nose to satisfy her greed. She got what was over twice the money (which only a few people actually took, not the aub) and she keeps going.

Comment on Virus of the Mind, Chapter 4

2011-03-10T17:08:29Z

1889 Manifesto and LDS (1904-1960) Mormon Polygamy (somebody's going to say that LDS Polygamy went until 1960. I'm talking about a few very old women here. No citations, but you can attribute it to me. You may also read Blaine Robison's paper, though it is academic and mine straight out of my head. I am quite ill and have to stop writing earlier than I like.

SEE: http://michamartina.wordpress.com/1889-manifesto-and-lds-1904-1960-mormon-polygamy/

For today's post which began as a post to you. i got most of the first section into your comment space.

Comment on Virus of the Mind, Chapter 4

2011-03-10T15:01:01Z

A good summary of post-Christian Christianity. Some significant material left out. The Armies of the 30,000 Albagensians were killed, it has been said in a day, by the massive Armies of the Pope. There were partisans, a brilliant woman and War leader was roasted alive and eaten by those learned men of the Church. Their sin? They did not believe in Hell or a punishing God.

Joseph Smith read and ascribed to the Hebrew version of the afterlife, Sheol, the world of spirits. The Frankenstinian FLDS post war shifts in belief were, I believe, post war and contain a German Catholic (My Grandfather was German Catholic) element that was introduced post World War iI. Holy Heck, Mormons did cuss a lot and even said Hell in the Armed Services. This did not mean that Joseph Smith actually believed in the Hell that his body guards spoke in their explicative. See his writings on the Zohar in the first addition of the Documentary History of the Church, First addition. Outer darkness for men like that particular Pope, Hitler, Stalin, where do our 15 year old child brides, once considered to be of marriageable age, fit into this? The Nazi answer we have.

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There are the LDS realms of Glory--even the lowest Kingdom is a realm of Glory. Most of our criminals, even those who we kill in our society, go there, and teachers, spirits and angels who minister to them exist there but can more easily leave.

The World, Realm, Planet ruled most by Jesus, but also by other wise men teachers, Ascended Masters, go there, as do all the honourable people of the Earth. This is the Heaven that most resembles that of most religions. The Celestial Kingdom I compare most to a University. The British saints probably compared it to the Court of a Monarch.

It is criminal to kill the Creator of a Religion because some can integrate the existing elements with the prior elements and some cannot. It takes advanced reading skills or a reader, and a certain capacity for Eschatological and Theological reasoning. These men were intelligent, wise and certainly saved the lives of many. Their children went to school after Primaries (Primary Schools) were established by the LDS. Women were more likely to be better educated and they were autonomous, creating wealth for themselves and families through the Women's Relief Societies. The FLDS cared for the ill and aged, another sin in the minds of the Nazi Paper Clippers,
half of whom were mind scientists. These were responsible for the millions killed in psychiatric hospitals and camps during the experimentation that became the Mind Control element of the black research they did using the criminals. It was always Hitler's plan to create a world wide religion and impose it. The SS version of all religions were superficial and deprecatory.

I believe they got a hold on the future FLDS leadership during the raids while the inbreeding before the war became something feral under the Nazi Doctors in both Canada and the US.

Comment on Virus of the Mind, Chapter 4

2011-03-10T05:21:04Z

There are 613 commandments (mitzvot) in the Old Testament, not 630.

Comment on TRAUMA THAT WON'T GO AWAY

2011-03-02T23:47:04Z

I do agree that any unsuccessful marriage is traumatic, especially if there is cruelty or battering, and psychological abuse. All these things occur in Monogamy. I sometimes feel that people who have left polygamy do not understand that Monogamous families have the same problems in my experience.

In the 70's I trained to be a crisis counsellor, Drug Abuse counsellor, group facilitator, and
phone counsellor. At the Y I was in an internship
because the Crisis Line I ran with a few others
had no formal program.

People are people and have even the worst sort of problems in common. I think the press has done women who were formerly polygamous a disservice by not building on our similarities, instead of differences. I hope this issue is resolved in a positive way, but have little hope that it will be resolved.

My work is hijacked for the next few years so some Canadian Ladies can hide beneath a feminist veneer without knowing much about it, hindering everyone who might have thought of a reasonable plan for helping them with their real needs.

If there is a need to leave, then we need to provide safe conduct for the mothers and children to leave. They need restraining orders and help getting their children if these are denied them. Just like women in California.

I think the FLDS have every right to practice their religion protected by Charter and Constitution.
If I thought a blanket solution would help, I'd be for it. It will only make things worse, and if this generation is persecuted the next will be more fanatical and have more babies. I will never make books in print. So hugs for the PTSD willies. They have no religion.

There is something in human psyche-biology that compensates for a loss of population by struggling to increase numbers. It has been a very adaptive mind virus for a hundred thousand years or more.

I am not angry at any individual. I wish Linda Sillitoe were alive. I wish an elderly journalist friend was still alive so I could call him for wisdom beyond my experience. Should I turn my back on all of this and will it be covered if I do.

My freedom of religion cannot exist without protection by the Constitution. I do love my religion. 30% of Arizona marriages are now Jeddi. The first midwife of Short Creek was RLDS--She said she was Josephite. She was recruited as a nurse-midwife when there were few hospital trained nurses. She helped Emma while her husband bought cattle and outfits for saints travelling West. I hope this will not drag on the rest of my short life. Am I still an American without freedom of Religion? Is this a free country or just real estate.